Comments on: Bills are Not a Changelog—Why You Can’t Turn Legislation into Laws https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/ Legal codes, for humans. Wed, 02 May 2012 13:43:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.5 By: Waldo Jaquith https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/#comment-405 Wed, 02 May 2012 13:43:02 +0000 http://www.statedecoded.com/?p=45#comment-405

yes..but they are inserting it in the Virginia Code not Decoded.

so then you have to essentially go through the whole process again for the new stuff, right?

That was what I was planning on doing, but I realized partway through that there’s an easier way. While there’s a big import process every year for the new code, I’m working on a little patch system that will take the Code Commission’s occasional updates and apply them to Virginia Decoded throughout the year, making the same amendments to my copy of the code that the Code Commission has made to the official copy of the code. Exactly how that will work, though, I haven’t yet figured out. :)

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By: LarryG https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/#comment-404 Wed, 02 May 2012 11:40:18 +0000 http://www.statedecoded.com/?p=45#comment-404 ” In theory, their changes should be incorporated into the following year’s text, so there should be no need to deal with changes greater than a year old.”

yes..but they are inserting it in the Virginia Code not Decoded.

so then you have to essentially go through the whole process again for the new stuff, right?

In other words, they keep added to the original mucked up version and everything they add, you then have to figured out how to “de-code” it.

or am I all messed up in how I am looking at this…????

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By: Waldo Jaquith https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/#comment-401 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:53:46 +0000 http://www.statedecoded.com/?p=45#comment-401 Luckily, that’s the Virginia Code Commission’s problem! In theory, their changes should be incorporated into the following year’s text, so there should be no need to deal with changes greater than a year old.

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By: LarryG https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/#comment-400 Sat, 21 Apr 2012 00:32:30 +0000 http://www.statedecoded.com/?p=45#comment-400 Okay – now a tougher question.

How do you UPDATE after each General Assembly session?

:-)

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By: Waldo Jaquith https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/#comment-390 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:10:09 +0000 http://www.statedecoded.com/?p=45#comment-390

If there were no “corrections”, would the legislation match the code?

Although I imagine that it would, I cannot say so definitively, because I have not attempted to piece together updates to the code from legislation.

But what you’re not saying is that legislation somehow goes through this process grinder and ends up with unintended effects – or the vast majority of the legislation does intend generate code that works the way the legislation intended.

I’m not quite following, Larry, but I’ll give it a shot. :) The vast majority of legislation appears to accomplish just what it sets out to accomplish—that is, I believe that the resulting law is modified precisely as specified in the bill. But some legislation does emerge from the legislature with errors, and those errors that are caught by the Code Commission must be either corrected by them, or left to stand if the errors are severe, with the legislature fixing their mistake in the following year’s session.

This problem surely affects only a small percentage of all legislation, but if it routinely affects anymore more than a minute quantity of bills (as it does), then that is sufficient to make it impossible to apply legislation as a patch and believe that the resulting text is as accurate as the text produced by the Code Commission and Lexis Nexis.

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By: LarryG https://www.statedecoded.com/2012/04/bills-not-a-changelog/#comment-389 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 02:21:57 +0000 http://www.statedecoded.com/?p=45#comment-389 If there were no “corrections”, would the legislation match the code?

I understand the “tweaking” that happens but it appears that the tweaking cannot violate the original fidelity of the intended legislation so what else would be different?

Your explanation of the process is fascinating…. and illuminating.

But what you’re not saying is that legislation somehow goes through this process grinder and ends up with unintended effects – or the vast majority of the legislation does intend generate code that works the way the legislation intended.

no?

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